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 यदि पृथ्वीनारायण शाहले एकीकरण नगरेको भए ?

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Posted on 01-11-13 1:23 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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यदि पृथ्वी नारायण शाहले एकीकरण नगरेको भए नेपाल सायद ब्रिटेन को अधिनमा हुन्थ्यो होला | पछि भारत वा चिनको भूभाग पनि हुन सक्थ्यो | अथवा सिक्किम र भुटान जस्तै छुट्टै राष्ट्र पनि हुन सक्थ्यो | आखिर हामीलाई नेपाल छोडेर विदेशमा आएर नागरिकता खोज्नु परिरहेको छ भने एकीकरणले हामीलाई केहि फरक पर्यो र ?

के नपाल एकीकरण जरुरि नै थियो ? तपाईलाई के लाग्छ ?

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 आङ्ग काजीहरु को मागी खाने भाँडो बन्द हुन्थ्यो ................
 
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Dude Good Question,

If you look onto the present Context,  where Corrupt & Selfish Polticians & Murderers rule us, & we being the dumbest people in the whole world,  not taking action against these butchers, it would be much better if British has us. In Contrary, If there would be fair game & things would be just like when we were kids definitely I would love to have my own Nepal.

We need a Nepal Spring to get rid of these bastards...

Sujhab!!
 
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Terai would probably be a part of upper Bihar. Himalayan region would be an autonomous nation, not sure about the hilly region. 
 
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यो आङ पाजी शेर्पाले पृथ्वीनारायण शाहलाई युद्द अपराधी भन्नु पर्छ भनेर माग गर्नु भन्दा पहिले त्यसको गुरुबा प्रचन्डे र बाबुरामलाई युद्द अपराधी भन्नुपर्छ कि पर्दैन भनेर बिचार गरे त यसलाई पाजी भनिरहनु पर्दैन थियो होला ।

२१ औ शताब्दीमा सारा जगको अगाडि जिउदै मान्छे पुर्ने अपराधी कि १८ औ शताब्दी जुन समयमा हाम्रो सामाजिक संरचनानै युद्दमा आधारित थियो, त्यो समयको एउटा सफल युद्द बिजेता जसले लडेको युद्दको जगमा आधुनिक नेपालको जग बस्यो, तिनलाई अपराधी भन्ने ? त्यो समयनै युद्दको थियो, पृथ्वीनारायण शाहको मात्र के कुरा मल्ल राजाहरु पनि एक आपासमा सधैं काटाकाट गरिरहेकै हुन्थे । अरु राज्यहरुको पनि अवस्था त्यस्तै नै थियो । के उनले नजितेको भए त्यो बेलाको बाइसे चौबिसे राज्यहरु सदासर्वदा अस्तित्वमा रहिरहन्थे ? केही नेवार साथीहरुलाई यस्तो लाग्नु स्वभाविक हो कि पृथ्वी नारायण शाहले हाम्रो राज्य खायो तर बुझ्नु पर्ने कुरा के हो भने पृथ्वीनारायणले खाएको भए कुनै खैरेनारायणले खाइ दिन्थ्यो ति राज्यहरुलाई ... मल्लहरुले पनि लिच्छवीहरुलाई र लिच्छवीहरुले किराँतहरुलाई हराएर पाएको हो राज्य ...

एक थरी उपबुज्रुकहरुले यस्तो पनि लेखेछन् कि कप्तान किन्लोकको फौजसँग गोर्खाली सेनाले लडेको लडाईं सब नाटक हो । हे भगवान् ! त्यो बेलामा चलचित्र नबन्ने हुनाले दर्शकको मनोरन्जनको लागि त्यस्तो नाटक गर्नु परेको हो र भन्या ? यदी गोर्खाली र ब्रिटिश मिलेका हुन्थे भने त सिधै ब्रिटिशलाई साथ लिएर उपत्यकामा धावा बोल्थे होला नि । किन त्यस्तो नाटक मन्चन गरिरहनु पर्थ्यो होला । ईतिहासलाई सोझ्याउने नाउमा आफूलाई जे जे दिमागमा फुर्यो सब ईतिहास भनिदिने ?

पृथ्वीनारायण शाहलाई लुटेरा भनेर बुझ्नेहरुलाई मेरो प्रश्न के भने किन उनले काठमाडौंमा भएको धनसम्पत्ति लुटेर गोर्खा लगेनन् ? किन आफूले जितेको जम्मै भूभागलाई गोर्खा भनेर नाम दिएनन् ? किन नेपालको राजधानी काठमाडौमै कायम गरे ? किन ईन्द्र जात्रालाई निरन्तरता दिए ?

निश्चय नै उनले अरुको लागि नेपाल राज्य खडा गरिदिन्छु भनेर त्यो युद्द लडेका थिएनन् । एउटा ठुलो र शक्तिशाली राज्यको महाराज बन्ने महत्वकांक्षा पक्का पनि उनमा थियो । ईतिहासमा यस्ता घटना बिरलै होलान् जहाँ एउटा सम्राटले आफ्नो महत्वकांक्षा बिना युद्द लडेको होस्, चाहे अलेक्जेन्डर हुन् चाहे जेगिज खान लड्न त सबै आफ्नै महत्वकांक्षाले गर्दा लडेका हुन् । तर पृथ्वीनारायण शाह आफ्नो राज्य बिस्तारमा मात्र केन्द्रित थिएनन् र देश र जनताको हितमा पनि सोच्थे भन्ने कुरा उनको दिव्यपोदेश मात्र पढ्यो भने पनि छर्लङ हुन्छ ...

यदी पृथ्वीनारायण शाहले किर्तिपुरका जनताको नाक कान काटेकै रहेछन् भने पनि नेपाल राज्य निर्माणको जस उनीबाट कसैले खोस्न सक्दैन । फेरी यो पिध नभएको लोटालाई अहिले एकाएक पृथ्वी नारायण शाहलाई युद्द अपराधी भन्नुपर्छ भन्ने दिव्य ज्ञान कसरी प्राप्त भयो ? अस्तिसम्म त यो स्वाँठले पनि पृथ्वी नारायण शाहको जय गान गाउदै हिंडेकै हो ... मेरो लागि यस्ता बिदेशी पैसा हसुरेको बलमा उफ्रने पाजीहरु जति सुकै धेरै उफ्रुन यिनिहरु पाजीनै हुन्; यिनिहरुको उफ्राइ त्यो बिदेशी पैसाको बल हुन्जेल मात्र हो र पृथ्वीनारायण शाह नेपालको राष्ट्र निर्माता नै हुन्  
 
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सायद भारत कै भू-भाग भैदिएको भए अहिले भन्दा केहि बिकसित हुन्थ्यो कि ?  साथै बिदेशी प्रभुले देश बिगारे भन्न्दै हिड्नु पनि पर्दैन थियो कि ?

नोट: यो मेरो ब्यतिगत धारणा होइन | केवल प्रश्न मात्र..

 
Posted on 01-11-13 1:51 PM     [Snapshot: 54]     Reply [Subscribe]
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 बाघ दाइ , 
त्यो डलर हसुर्नेको नाम आजै देखि आङ्ग पाजी शेर्पा राख्दिम है . 

 
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आकाश जत्तिकै छर्लंग छ नि, भारत कै भूभाग हुन्थ्यो अनि १९४७ अथवा १९७१ मा जस्तै पाकिस्तान अनि बंगलादेश जस्तै छुट्टै देश को रुप मा परिणत हुन नि सक्थ्यो. अहिले को बर्तमान परिप्रेक्छ्य लाई मध्ये नजर गर्ने हो भने चिन को भूभाग हुने सम्भावना निकै न्युन देख्छु. भारत को भूभाग नभई त हामि bollywood लाई पूजा गर्छौ, दशैँ तिहार मनौछौ, हिन्दि गीत मा कम्मर मर्क्यै मर्क्यै नाच छौ होइन र?
 
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हुन्छ ठुल्दाइ..... मैले त त्यो आङ पाजी शेर्पालाई 'पाजी' भनेर सार्वजनिक रुपमै लेख्दिसके .... तर कसै कसैले के भन्या भनेर सोधिरा थिए  ... पगरीवाला पाजी भन्ने बुझेछन् कि क्या हो यो गधालाई ...
 
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That is a very good question to which most of us cannot be objective as seen by most of the responses.

Honestly we have been so brainwashed by the concept of unification that it seems like a grand action deserving our gratitude. Looking at unification objectively, it is nothing but expansion - an expansion of the kings land of rule. The British expanded their rule of land by assimilating greater Nepal into the Indian territory but it's not considered unification by Indians inspite of it being just that technically. The british unified India. They should have erected a statue of a Britisher in India holding a finger up saying 'hami ek hau' indicating their unification of India.

In any case, people living in different states did not appreciate PNS's expansion.

Now what if PNS had not expanded his country?

Most likely there would not have been a country called Nepal. Most likely there would not have been the royal Shah rule and the Rana rule in between which resulted in lot of corruption and abuse of general Nepali population. It took hundreds of years to end royal autocratic government, it took hundreds of thousands of lives on Nepalis in the Shah rule ie including expansion collateral damages and Rana regime and ensuing peoples insurgency. Hence people living in this area were very much worse off considering their standard of living and any convenience made available to them by the ruling class or government. People living in this area still consider themselves cursed by sati. Everyone still suffers besides the politicians and a few others handful of people.

Alternatively, everything would have been a part of India and right now would be appreciating a democratically ruled country with more opportunities than they currently have.

As they say, you don't miss what you don't have. Right now lot of Nepalis have a huge sense of Nepali Pride but that wouln't even exist if PNS had not assimilated the territories. We'll probably all be proud Indians and living conditions wise, far better off than we are currently.



 
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Rethink, I second you. In fact, I had raised the same thought in the other thread related to PNS and so called unification. People are just glorifying something that does not deserve glorification, if you think rationally.
 
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nepal na hunthiyo na nepali nai bhanera garba garna sakthiyo

hami ahilay buddha ra sagarmatha bhanera garba garira chau, ahilay ak thari le sagarmatha ko desh bhanthiyo hola, aru le buddha ko desh.
 
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ही ही .....हाम्रो बा र आमाको को बीहा नभाको भए पनि मा त जन्मी हाल्थे नि भन्ने जस्तो कुरा गर्छन केटा हरु |

तिमीहरुलाई के लाग्छ? अहिले इंडिया मा भाको भए आनन्द ले बस्ने थियेउ? तेही भएर होला इंडिया मा Seperate आन्द्र प्रदेश, बिहार, नागाल्याण्ड, महारास्त्र, पुन्जाब को नारा लागेको होला | अहिले नेपाल इंडिया मा गवेको भए येही इंडिया मा मिलेको भए हुन्थियो भन्ने गोर्खे हरे seperate नेपाल को नारा लाइ राको हुन्थे |

Don't fall for something that the haters are supporting. Identity is a great thing....regardless of how shitty your identity is. Talk to a Nepali from India, when he comes to Nepal even he feels like he is home. Visit Sikkim and Darjeling once and you will find out how much welcoming they are to you. These people have not been Nepali for quite few generations and they still have the pride deep in them.
 
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What is nationality? We are Nepali that is our nationality. But what is Nepal? Nepal is Kathmandu Valley originally before PNS captured it. How someone from Jhapa and Makawanpur can be proud to be Nepali because he was not Nepali before. He was Jhapali and Makawanpure. PNS captured those land then they became Nepali. And now they proudly say they are Nepali. What if India had captured their land? Now they would have been proud to be an Indian. And what if China had captured their land they would have been proud to be Chinese.



 
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15/20 yrs ago before dhotis advanced, no Nepali would even think of becoming part of India. Nepal was peaceful, cleaner, more respected in the world and had better living quality than Indians in average. Still today when i visit Delhi or the slumps of mumbai i thank god for my sweet country. btw, lots of people from darj and sikkim come to Nepal for employment and better life. indians are racist in overall and would Nepal consider Nepali people to their level. we would be their viatch.
 
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What is a Nepali?

Well is the fact of Nepali not being an Indian or a Chinese just enough to get your deek hard? Should you ask more question? If you are asking that question then you are not a Nepali.

 
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prithivi narayan shah ki jaya

gyanenedra and paras and baburam and prachanda shld be hanged till death

 
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 following is one of the comment by readr

Nepali Babu, Qatar wrote on 11 January, 2013, 8:46

मल्ल के सुन्दरको बिचारलाई मान्ने हो भने उनी र उनका श्रीमतीलाई उनका सन्तानले माता पिता नमाने हुन्छ। उनकै बिचार अनुसार यो कुरालाई पनि यसरी तर्क दिन सकिन्छ – उनी र उन्का श्रीमती जवान भयपछी आफ्नो शरीरिक आवश्यकता र भोक मेटाउनको लागि, आफ्नो मजाको लागि जुन कृया गर्‍यो त्यस्बाट सन्तानको उत्पती भयो। उन्ले अहिले उस्का भयका यही सन्तान जन्माउछु भनेर पक्का पनि सम्भोग कृया गरेको थियन।
जब आफुलाई जन्म दिनलाई नभै उनिहरु जवानीको प्यास मेटाउन गरेको कृयाबाट जन्मेकोको सन्तानले उनिहरुलाई किन बाबु आमा वा माता पिता भनेर सम्मन दिने। उसका सन्तान्ले सिधा तर्क दिन सकिन्छ – मलाई जन्म दिन भनेर तिमीहरुले बिहे गरी सम्भोग गरेको हैन, तिमीहरुकै आव्श्यक्ता र मजाको पारीनामले म जन्मेको हुन त्यसैले म तिमीहरुलाई बाबु आमा मान्न तयार छैन।

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I raised this question not to blame PNS for anything. My question is what we got from Unification? And what whould have happened if it was not united ?



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 But that is very generic question, Similar question can be asked to citizens of any country. Only approxmately 25% of worlds population lives in "nice" condition rest have many difficulties. So similar  question can be asked to a south Indian, he will have his version or can be asked to a kashmiries, they will have their version and an Indian from Nagaland he will have his version of answer. On the contrary if you ask same question to an indian from Delhi and Bombay, answer will be totally different.

So what you get from unification of Nepal depends upon your perception, your expectation, your understanding of "getting something"
But that is true almost about every  citizens of every country where life standard is not so appreciative.

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