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soaringflute
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Posted on 03-26-08 10:33
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The unwarranted and consistently brutal assaults by Nepali authorities on nuns, monks and other peaceful Tibetan demonstrators is second only to the barbarism of the Chinese. Aside from the Chinese invaders, no other country has been as brutal toward these peaceful demonstrators, seeking only to draw attention to the occupation and repression of Tibet, as Nepal has been.
Are Nepalis such shameless panderers for the handouts from China? Have Nepalis so soon and easily forgotten their own (ongoing) struggles for franchise?
Such eagerness not to offend the Chinese, to demonstrate Nepali subservience to the Chinese is ... PATHETIC
It's embarrasing even to the casual observer
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Eagle5
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Posted on 03-27-08 1:39
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On humanitarian ground, we can say police's act is inhuman. But on a political ground, can we really afford to give room for the tibetens to raise their voice against the CHINA. India including other South Asian nations already agreed to one China policy. Not to mention, even the almighty BUSH is just urging china to reconcile the matter with mr.lama. He is not saying TIBET should be free country.
So let us see this issues from pragmatic point of view..I know bhutanese refugee are surviving under aid money of donar agency. Can any one tell me how come these tibeten rufugee are living such a lavish life? Let us not try to dupe anyone here...How come our virgin hills are being victimized under the name of budhhism, to impose monastic fudelistic culture?
SO GUYS-YOU ARE FREE TO CONDEM IN HUMAN ACTIVITES! BUT IF YOU TRY TO DENY ONE CHINA POLICY, IT IS NOT GOING TO HELP US!
PS_ at the behest of Indian authority, few years ago nepalese police arrested some pakistani from kathmandu and handed over them to indian authority. They were allegedly doing anti-india activities, but we do not know the reality. In case of Tibet issue, thigs are quite discernable. When it comes to india, US is also silence, but when it comes to China they make hue and cry! C'mon!!
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Posted on 03-27-08 2:22
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Can someone clarify for me, esp. manang gal, whether Tibet is a Tibetan (and therefore political) issue or a Buddhist issue. Should I sympathise with Tibetans if I am a Buddhist? I think it is this tricky slope that HHDL needs to be more upfront about. Does he represent the Tibetans, or the Buddhists?
Comments welcome
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Posted on 03-27-08 2:27
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I also believe that beating people is inhuman activities and this should be condemned. But we need to see the flip side of the coin too.
let us analyze what is peaceful demonstration. Is blocking the road, burning tyre on the street, obstructing to enter the UN or any other premises can be called as a peaceful demonstration? Did you people in the US enjoy these things during the April uprising?
So far in my knowledge, in US you have to get a written permission from the competent authority to make a demonstration explaining nos. of people, types of banner and slogan, routes and places.Eventhough U are not allowed to completely obstruct the road, possibly a lane.
I do believe that there are a lot of Tibetan refugees in US and why didn't they obstruct the road, burn tyres on the street and did not demonstrate in front of UN headquarters by completely obstructing the entrance and exit.
Try to do it in the US and see the response of the police.
So what alternatives police has to disperse the crowd when they failed to comply with the lawful order. Police are not benefitted by beating people personnaly.
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Rewire
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Posted on 03-27-08 2:36
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Eagle5 Don't pull things off your ass. If our government had zoning law in place, or a concept of city planning, those monasteries WOULD not have mushroomed our "virgin" hills. By the way, what proof do you have that they are built by Tibetan refugees. If you're not from KTM, it's your ignorant/biased assumption. Most of them are built by Nepali, don't mix people's nationality with their religion. One thing aside What makes your temple or your culture more holier than theirs? If they're fine with their monastic fuedal system, then why do you want to go and bring "democracy" like in Iraq when they had never asked for it in the first place? Civilization change with time. Man, look at yourself before you point your finger. Accept it, it is lawless in Nepal in terms of housing development. So if you cannot add more new temples, somebody will. If there were no monasteries, there would be Mosque or Churches. What is your choice? No Nepali in their right mind will say "Free Tibet", it's impossible from every angle. The title of this thread is "Shameless Nepali pandering" regarding the inhumane treatment of the demonstrators, nothing else. Don't ramble your Tibetan history that you have learned from "History Channel". How come the same tire burning, road blocks and property damage by Maoist or the Madeshi hooligans are not dealt with brute force? No Peace
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Posted on 03-27-08 2:51
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Rewire,
So you believe that what the Tibetans demonstrators did was wrong and the police discriminate them with others at the same ground.
Don't relate with others, just justify their actions
Peace
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Eagle5
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Posted on 03-27-08 2:52
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REWIRE- I can only pity on your knowledge about history, local geography, local culture, about different branches of buddhism( therabadi, hinyana, mahayana, bajrayana). First go to school and earn enough knowledge about these things and then try to pop up infront of me!
And in a country, where our own Bihara and Bahals are turning into ruins your thinking of local people are building monastery is just to shallow to comment on!
You are right there is no laws in nepal, other wise things would have been like what BERK stated. You are right there is no laws that is why some crooked people under the veil of religion and freedom exploiting the situation.
What are you trying to prove- i really think you need to be re-wired from top to bottom, shut-cricuit problem ?-make sure do not burn yourself!
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Eagle5
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Posted on 03-27-08 2:56
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TALK SENSE!
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 03-27-08 3:14
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A culturally free tibet is more feasible than a politically free one. I would encourage tibetans to start competing with the han chinese in business and other relevant areas rather than wasting their time in protest. If you really take into consideration that china is becoming an economic superpower, they are better off being part of china. They should up their efforts and seriously compete with the han chinese and do better in education and business.
China will never give up tibet and nobody can make them do it. Tibet is a strategic place from military perspective as it borders india.
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Rewire
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Posted on 03-27-08 3:20
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Eagle5, you seem to have issue with Bhotes (that's what I assume you'd call us). Were you molested, bullied by any of them during your school?
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Eagle5
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Posted on 03-27-08 3:27
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Still to be Rewired-
Well, I do not have any issues with anyone, but i think you are implying Bhotes are molester. Are you also one of those Bhote? Again pity on your depth of knowledge, you are showing true color now! This is why i was telling you to go to good school and earn some knowledge, will be good for you!
c'mon Birbhadra, teach him something..this guy need to be rewired!
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BathroomCoffee
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Posted on 03-27-08 3:32
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eagle5,"On humanitarian ground, we can say police's act is inhuman. But on a political ground, can we really afford to give room for the tibetens to raise their voice against the CHINA. India including other South Asian nations already agreed to one China policy. Not to mention, even the almighty BUSH is just urging china to reconcile the matter with mr.lama. He is not saying TIBET should be free country." Waht one China Policy ? Can we afford to give Tibetans room to raise their voice against China ? huh !! ke bhancha yoh ??? Dimaag ta thick thauu ma cha tero gadha ? YOU ARE TALKING AS IF YOU OWN THE TIBETAN PEOPLE(like slaves). Nepal being a DOOOUKWASHIII COUNTRY should be able to afford to give the REPRESSED TIBETAN REFUGEES A LIL VOICE. I tought maybe because WE(NEPAL) are in the same boat(bullied by both China and India) would be sympathetic to the tibetans. TARA NEPALI BHEDAAA HARU TA PARYOOO ...he he gu bharyaaa dimaag cha saab ko. I mean if the same thing happened to Nepal( like India takes over... WILL WE(nepali people be saying FREE NEPAL or reconcile with India?). Eagle5,"So let us see this issues from pragmatic point of view..I know bhutanese refugee are surviving under aid money of donar agency. Can any one tell me how come these tibeten rufugee are living such a lavish life? Let us not try to dupe anyone here...How come our virgin hills are being victimized under the name of budhhism, to impose monastic fudelistic culture? " Ke bhanney yestooo gadha lai. IDIOTS LIKE THIS MORON ONLY BURNS WITH JELOUSY WHEN THEY SEE OTHERS PROGRESS. I SAY TIBETANS ARE A LOT HARD WORKING PEOPLE THAN NEPALI PEOPLE. SAME GOES FOR THE INDIANS(how do you think they own most of the big businesses in Nepal ? Cause we gave it to them thats why). In the 80's more than 80% of the Hong Kong, Bangkok, and Singapore buseness were run by Tibetans and Manageys. Then slowly the Indians came over and took over everything. NOW WHOSE FAULT IS IT ? TA GADHA JUSTO ANDOO WILL SAY ITS THEIR FAULT. But the truth is it is NEPALI PEOPLE LAZYNESS THAT IS AT FAULT. Afuu lei pani kehii kaam gardaina aru lei garyoo bhaneey pani daahaaa matrai garcha yo gadha Nepali haru. Ajhaai Pragmatic veiw rey gadha ko !! ha ha ha Hasaucha Muuujhi !!
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Posted on 03-27-08 3:43
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Bathroom cofee..bathroom ma basera taile coffee sangai comode ko pani tanis hola ani tero buddhi yesto bhako! ta pani school ja ani pad ani buj! tero tauko..nepal ma nepali managey haru " jimbhu" bechna hinda " tibeten refugee bhandauda haru sun ko dalla yeta ko uta garthey bhanne kura talai thaha thiyo! thamel, chetrapati dekhi swyambhu ra baudha ma gayera her rati k huncha..gadha karauncha aja..tero tibten lai dooukwashi diyera..nepal lai k battle field banaune..? tero tauko tero dimag kahan cha...tero tauko hard work le ho ki ke le earn gareko taile bhani ra nu pardaina..nepal ma baneko lavish monastery ra lavish ghar, night life, party garne hard work kai paisa ho..tara kasari ayo achhama cha...tan gada aru lai bhannu bhanda paila afain soch...ki ta pani tyetai tira ko ragat paris, ktha jhukiyera parya ni huna sakcha check gar!
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Posted on 03-27-08 3:44
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WHAT WOULD TIBETIANS LIVE OFF OF IF IT GETS FREEDOM??? THE GOLD BISCUITS THEY NO LONGER HAVE? oYE BHOTEYS GET THE FUGG OUT OF NEPAL.....NOTHING AGAINST THE SHERPAS, MANANGAYS NOR ANY OTHER SUB NEPALI CITIZENS FROM THE MONGOL BACKGROUND. ME MYSELF AM A PART OF IT. THIS MASSSAGE IS STRICLTY TO THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM TIBET TO NEPAL. WE GAVE YOU A SPACE BUT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE OVER TAKING OUR NEIGHBOURHOODS AND YES YET DON'T CLAIM TO BE A NEPALI!!! YOUR LEADER IS IN INDIA IF YOU WANT TO FOLLOW HIS LEADS TO DEMOCRACY GO TO INDIA AND NOT SETTLE IN NEPAL. THANKS I-A-N
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Birbhadra
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Posted on 03-27-08 3:54
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"SUB NEPALI CITIZENS'?
don't you think this is kinda offensive thing to say?
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Posted on 03-27-08 4:03
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Eagle5, tibetan haru ko ghar ma hatti ko sun pani cha rey HO ? ha ha ha He talk as if he is the only one who knows . None of us grew up in Nepal. ha ha GADHA TA HO NI Tyahii bheda bichaar bahek aru ke auuthyo yestoo gadha lai.
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Posted on 03-27-08 8:49
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I AM NEPALI
SHERPA AND MANANGAY SUB NEPALI? ENOUGH NOW.... NO ONE IS SUB OR UPPER IN NEPAL... REMEMBER THAT. WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
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Posted on 03-28-08 1:13
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oi bathroom coffee..tero bau randi ko hi tero ama randi..bhanta malai....Jatha nepal bata niski ani ja tero pyaro guyeko tibet ma.
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Posted on 03-28-08 12:17
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this seems to be the hottest topic for the past few weeks, and probably will b for a long time. If you guys are goin at it here on sajha.. imagine how it is like in NEPAL where this shiittt is actually goin on. well if you guys are soo concerned about tibetans goin on protest, then go back to NEPAL, and do something about it.. rather than jus ranting like lil biaches on the net.
the fact of the matter is you guys cant stand to see tibs comin to nepal, and living a more stable life, owning expensive vehicles, grande houses, it just burns u doesn't it. This is a perfect example of how u low-life ppl were brought-up by ur parents, they envy tibs and so do u.
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Posted on 04-04-08 3:18
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China again cues up its propaganda machine By Howard W. French
Thursday, April 3, 2008 SHANGHAI: Mao Zedong announced the tune himself, in 1927, when he wrote: "A revolution is not a dinner party, or writing an essay or painting a picture or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another." For the next half-century, China was one of the most violent places on earth, and not just because of the vicious foreign invasion and civil war that swept the country, or the ceaseless purges of supposed traitors and class enemies. There was also the matter of language, which in China has been both an underrated means of violence and a vehicle for it. Mao's state created a propaganda system built on a crude triage: a world of heroes who were unalterably and impossibly good, and an even larger one of villains who were irredeemably, cartoonishly bad. Over-the-top became the routine in official rhetoric. Enemies were called "monsters" and "cow ghosts," "snake spirits" and "running dogs." And in one campaign after another the public was called upon to "resolutely crush" or "relentlessly denounce" them. This was a universe of variable geometry, where people were not to reason things out on their own, but to fall in line. Today's hero could be tomorrow's villain, with no clear evidence or explanation. The sole moral compass point was the immoral leader himself, Mao, who to this day remains a sacred cow whose likeness peers out from every bank note. In recent years, it had seemed as if this movie had been retired, but last month the production was cued up once again. The bad guy this time has been the Dalai Lama, the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, and the fact that outside China this villain is one of the world's most admired people has only caused the propagandists to ramp up the volume. For the purpose of the cause he has been turned into a canine and called a "wolf in monk's robes," "a wolf with a human face and heart of a beast" and the "scum of Buddhism." In case anyone missed the message, the government has also called the struggle against the Dalai Lama "a life-and-death battle." The Chinese public should by now recognize all the signs of an old-fashioned political campaign and, given the state's history of manipulation, immediately mark a long, skeptical pause. It's not clear, though, if that's how it worked this time. The propaganda means of the Chinese state remain overwhelming, as is its inclination not just to shape opinion, but to corral it, playing on what the documentary filmmaker Tang Danhong called the "great Han chauvinism," referring to the dominant ethnic group, a chauvinism that has been evident throughout the Tibetan crisis. After watching the first week of heavily propagandized television coverage here over dinner recently - reporting that focused almost exclusively on images of lawless Tibetan rioters smashing shops in Lhasa, along with the images of ethnic Han victims of the violence, typically recovering in the hospital - a senior Chinese newspaper editor eagerly questioned me about what was "really happening in Tibet." The question was scarcely out of his mouth when he added: "When people see the kind of one-sided propaganda that's been in the media here, nobody trusts it anymore." This might be reassuring, were it true, but the next few days provided many causes for doubt. A young Chinese acquaintance who is a journalist sounded a troubled note in an e-mail message to me: "I read some news reports recently and am confused why the Western media reports on Tibet are inconsistent with the facts? Like they only report on the Chinese police but not the thugs attack the innocent people and the police? And even worse, why are they reporting lot of false and prejudiced news?" The irony here, of course, is that Western coverage, whatever its faults, generally detailed the street violence in Lhasa, despite being barred access to Tibet by a country that made a big to-do last year over having supposedly lifted restrictions on the movements of international journalists in China. Unlike the heavily controlled domestic press, the Western media also reported on the largely peaceful sympathy protests that unfolded over a broad stretch of the Tibetan plateau. They generally sought to give at least two sides to the story and questioned Beijing's assertions about Tibetan protesters and about their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, in the textbook way an independent press should. Beyond the headlines, though, this crisis tells us a lot about China, and although the government may still have the means to control opinion, the more strenuously it has pressed its case, the less the picture of the country concurs with the image that China so eagerly wishes to promote of itself to the world. China has invested hugely in its hosting of the Olympic Games in August with the idea of introducing itself as an overwhelming success story: increasingly prosperous, harmonious and forward-looking. The first statement is certainly true, but one needn't be an enemy of China, as the propagandists would have it, to question the other two. This may yet turn out to be China's century, but it seems clearer than ever there's a lot of work to do, reforming an awfully rickety system, rethinking policies built on bald fictions, such as the "autonomous regions" in China's west, and learning to deal with criticism without turning it into a matter of ethnic pride or betrayal. The official slogan of the Games may be "one world, one dream," but that's not the feeling one gets listening to the state's organs. It is an ugly, wound-nursing nationalism one hears. "So strong," said the filmmaker Tang, "that there's almost no introspection, not even among Han intellectuals."
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Olympic committee tells China to keep Internet open during Beijing Games The Associated Press
Tuesday, April 1, 2008 BEIJING: Inspectors for the International Olympic Committee have told Beijing organizers that the Internet must be open for the duration of the 2008 Olympics. The Internet is routinely censored in China, but Beijing is committed by its "host city contract" to provide the estimated 30,000 media expected for the Olympics the freedom to report as they have at previous Games. "Even this morning, we discussed and insisted again," said Kevan Gosper, IOC coordination commission vice chairman, "that the Internet is open at all times during Games time." Speaking Tuesday on the sidelines of the inspection of preparations for the Games, which begin in August, Gosper added, "There was some criticism that the Internet closed down during events relating to Tibet in previous weeks, but this is not Games time. "Our concern is that the press is able to operate as it has at previous Games during Games time." Gosper, an Australian who is also chairman of the IOC press commission, said blocking the Internet during the Games "would reflect very poorly" on the host country, but he added that he felt confident the Chinese would fulfill the obligations of their agreement. "They've given us a huge commitment and changed their legislation extensively to enable the international press to report on the Games," he said. "On all issues where that's been concerned, they've lived up to the agreement, so we don't see any reason why they'd step back from that now," he added. New laws loosening the restrictions on foreign media in China went into effect on Jan. 1, 2007, but were due to expire in October. The coordination commission is holding its 10th and final series of meetings with the Beijing organizers this week. When asked about Gosper's comments, Jiang Yu, a spokeswoman for the Foreign Ministry, said China's "management" of the Internet followed the "general practice of the international community." She acknowledged that China banned some Internet content, and that other countries did the same. She declined to say if the Internet would be unrestricted for journalists during the Olympics. Gosper spoke after Hein Verbruggen, chairman of the inspection committee, addressed his Chinese hosts. Without being specific, Verbruggen noted that the Games, which will take place Aug. 8-24, had become embroiled in controversy. The unrest in Tibet - and China's response - has heightened calls for a boycott or a partial boycott of the Games. This comes in the wake of worries about Beijing's polluted air and calls for China to increase pressure on Sudan to end fighting in Darfur. The Olympic torch relay, which left Beijing on Tuesday for Kazakhstan and a global tour, is sure to draw protests and blemish an event that Chinese organizers hope will generate positive images of the country. "Clearly, in recent times more than ever, the Beijing Games are being drawn into issues that do not necessarily have a link with the operation of the Games," Verbruggen said. "We're all aware the international community is discussing these topics," he said, "but it is important to remember that our main focus during these meetings is the successful delivery of the Games' operations." The IOC has refused to speak out against Chinese actions in Tibet, saying it is a sporting body, not a political one. It has maintained that the Beijing Games "are a force for good" in opening up the country. Liu Qi, president of the organizing committee, told Verbruggen that the preparations were in the "final stage." The People's Daily, the official Communist Party newspaper, warned in an editorial Tuesday that troubles lay ahead in the four months before the Games. "With the opening of the Games approaching, the burden on our shoulders is heavier and the task tougher," the editorial said. "We must keep a clear head, improving our awareness of the potential dangers, and bravely facing all the difficulties and challenges."
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