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 Surprised why are people so negative about everything. They hate everything. Swasthani, now is read just for fun of it. Its ure written in those days of male dominant society where women had to be preserved from invaders.
Whatever the case, its just a story. But somebody here asks for changing the story otherway round so that it pleases some people. There are tons of movies, books etc which are for and against something, so should we start the same demand. 
Swasthani should be there to let the younger generation know how women were treated in those days how far they have come.

As somebody said earlier, Little knowledge is dangerous.....truly said man.



 
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 My point is basically these two.

1. Women rights issues are different issues from your heritage issue. Yes, women rights are important. If you saw a husband beating a woman, a woman not getting her rights inside her family, a daughter being kept at home but son being sent to schools, etc etc, these are women rights issues. We must address these issues seriously.

2. Once you start looking for 'scientific basis' in old works--as Nirmala Sharma does-- or once you start judging old works based on what zeitgeist is, then you will have to destroy a lot of things. In fact, since modern science started only in last 100-200 years, you will have to destroy or rewrite everything of the past that precede 200 years. This is a really stupid idea that this author has advanced.

And , since Swasthani is a book written by a Nepali, it should continue to hold special place among all Nepalese. I once read somewhere that Swasthani was 400-500 years old, but it does have flavor of that time, and you feel that there were lots of small kingdoms those days, so must have been written before Prithvi Narayan Shah's unification. I have seen really old (almost 300 years old) swasthani book written in Newari language in some Newar houses. This is a uniquely Nepali heritage. I wonder if others own old Swasthani books too or did I err in my observation? I also believe Swasthani was originally written in probably Newari, rather than Nepali, because the Nepali language written there looks rather new in its grammar style. If anyone knows more about its history, please let me know.
[And I doubt this lady knows more either, given how she has written.]
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laddu mati le NGO ko paisa pachaune meso garnu bhaye jaso
हे साझायात्री मुनी तथा मुन्नी हरु यो लेख पढेर के लाग्यो त ल बिस्तारमा सुन
एकादेशमा अङ्रेज भन्ने जाती हरु संसार घुम्दै आउँदा भारत भन्ने देश मा आएछन
ति पदारीनाथ ले हिन्दू धर्म लाई कसरी नस्ट गर्न सकिन्छ त भनेर संक्रित पढ्ने ईछ्या राखेछन
तेस पछी के भो त कुमार जि आग्या गर्नु हुन्छ हे साझा यात्री
त्यो पादरी एता उती डलर को मुथो लिएर डुलेछ तर कतै पनि पन्डित हरु उसलाई सन्स्क्रित पडाउन राजी भएनछन
तेस पछी एक गरीब ब्रामन लाई असन्ख्य दान दक्षिणा , डलर ले पूजा गरी गोप्य रुमपा सन्स्क्रित पदेछ
गरीब पन्दितले पनि के बदाउने त यो पादरिलाई भनी द्यान गर्दा कुटिल्यको अर्थशास्त्र पदाएछन
सन्स्क्रित भाषा पदी सकेपछी पादरी आग्या गर्छ हे पन्दित गुरु देब तापाइको धर्म शास्त्र त हाम्रो भन्दा हजारौ गुना अगाडि रहेछ
ज्ञान एही रहेछ बिज्ञान एही रहेछ अर्थशास्त्र , राजनीति देखी कुटनिती एही रहेछ तर पनि तपाईं को देशको हालत किन एस्तो ?
सो पादरिको कुरा सुनेर पन्दित आग्या गर्दछ्न हे पादरी भाईया यो सब समयएको खेल हो सुन्छौ भने म भन्छु ल सुन
धेरै बर्ष पहिले को कुरा हो , त्यो भन्दा पहिले भारत बर्ष मा पर्ने देश हरु निकै सम्पन्न थिए , सो देखेर खाडी राष्ट्र तिर बाट
अाएका मुस्लिम हरुले ठुलो आक्रमण गरे , बेद जलाये , पुरान जलाए , पन्दित हरुलाई काते ,माहिलाको अस्मिता लुटे , अहिले भरात भन्ने देश ओर पर ठुलो आक्रमण मा पर्‍यो 
तेस्पछी भरात तथा बङलादेस्मा रहेका हिन्दू लाई जबर्जस्ती मुस्लिम बनाइयो । तेस्पछी के गर्ने त भनेर बचेँका केही पन्दित हरुले नयाँ ग्रन्थ लेखेर हिन्दू हरुलाई कडा बनये मनु ले मनु ग्रन्थ लेखे ,हिन्दू माहिला हरु नरम स्वोभाब का हुने हुनाले मुस्लिमको प्रतिकार गर्न स्वोस्थानी जस्तो ग्रन्थ लेखियो जस्ले
माहिलालाई धर्म परिवर्तन गर्न बाट रोकोश । जस्ले गर्दा पुरुष तथा महिला दुबइ ले बैरी हरुको प्रतिकार गर्ने निस्चित होस् ।
तेसैले हे साझा बासीहरु डलरमती का लेख पडेर आफ्नो मती नबिगार हो
कुमार जि आग्या गर्नु हुन्छ हे साझामुनी तथा मुन्नी हरु मन नपरे बहिस्कार गर्दा हुन्छ
डलर खाएर पुनरलेखन जस्तो उपर्माउलो नगर हो ।
आज को समाज लाई ५००० बर्ष पछी हेर्दा यस्तै नमिल्दो लाग्न सख्छ
तर समाज बर्तमानमा हिंड्न सक्छ न भुत काल मा न भबिस्य कालमा तेसैले
हिजो को कुरा लाई पुनर्लेखन गर्दैमा सत्य बादलीदैन
ईती श्री ...


 
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 I am surprised by what you wrote. So, you obviously think that if a person writes 90% of correct stuffs, and 10% of wrong stuffs, we have to focus on 90% of correct stuffs. But in reality, a man has to write 100% correct stuff. Even if someone is inserting 1% of her biased stuff among the correct stuffs, he is a fake person, and his dishonesty has to be denounced.
-> Are you saying that you are not biased at all?

Another thing is, to make statements like " I think the women's situation in Nepal is very much connected to the cultures and faith we carry." is easy. In fact, it is obvious. But it has nothing to do with Swasthani per se. In our own culture, brothers have to 'dhog' their sister, parents give money to their young daughter but not to young brother in religious ceremonies and several girls are often considered deviko awavatar. We can't pick things selectively to denounce our heritage.
-> How can you absolutely say that swasthani has nothing to do? There are obviously many good things including the ones you wrote in our culture, but there are many as she wrote. Isn't understanding and debating is the way in the right direction?

This woman has plainly written that "Swasthani needs to be rewritten" . Go and read this article. What do you mean by rewritten? Then she goes on to say why this thing is unscientific or that thing is unscientific. Find me a culture that doesn't have unscientific, unbelievable things written in their ure of those era. This doesn't mean we have to erase or rewrite those things.
-> I agree with this part. I would be concerned on correcting in the present as rewriting is not going to change. But one thing I would like to point is that many of us still have blind faith in what is written. Many still do fasting during swasthani even for a month long and I doubt if they would give roti to their daughters.

bekar ko bahas.
-> I won't call it bekar ko bahas.

1. Women rights issues are different issues from your heritage issue. Yes, women rights are important. If you saw a husband beating a woman, a woman not getting her rights inside her family, a daughter being kept at home but son being sent to schools, etc etc, these are women rights issues. We must address these issues seriously.
-> Some of these things are very much connected to the cultures and stories we believe absolutely (e.g. swasthani).

2. Once you start looking for 'scientific basis' in old works--as Nirmala Sharma does-- or once you start judging old works based on what zeitgeist is, then you will have to destroy a lot of things. In fact, since modern science started only in last 100-200 years, you will have to destroy or rewrite everything of the past that precede 200 years. This is a really stupid idea that this author has advanced.
-> I agree about not making sense about rewriting.

Khoikkhoik and danphe,  
you guys are nuts; did you even care to click the page 1 at the bottom of this thread?
 
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What the hack are you saying here? I agree that old culture should change that conflict on current age. But, what is the main point is we have to save our culture too. If we search all the meaning according to current age, that will not give the solution. What I don't agree with mahila adhikaar badi is, if man are drunker we need to be also a drunker, if man sex with outside woman we also have to sex with multipal mans par day . this kind of thinking is totally wrong. what should stablished is both need to be honest.


 
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@ Arahat

I admit my mistake. Sorry Bro.
 
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Haha so she wants to change the whole damn story and what happened then just because it's not prevailing in our society anymore... She Phukking made my day... Ani k aba munamadan ko pani story change garnu parcha... DHATTTT
 
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हा हा एस्तो दिन पनि आउदो रेहेछ , फुकिङ डे वा क्या मज्जा , वा यो त त्यो खैजडिले बेच्ने बाह्र मज्जा जस्तै , कुरा सुन्दा त हामी पनि मुसले भन्दा काम कहाँ छौ र.
तपरे र छपरे का दुलही हरुले बिहान् बिहान् श्रीमान को खुट्टी को पानी खान्थे , तिम्रा आमा हजुर आमाले खाए कि खाएनन ? खाएका भए अहिले पनि खाइ रखेका छन कि छैनन ? खान छोडेका भए खान ल्गाउन सक्छौ वा तेही कायम गर्न रुचाउछौ कि रुचाउदैनौ ? किन छोडे त ? तेस्को पनि कारण होला है न र ?
समय सापेक्ष  परिवर्तन हुन्छ हुन्छ र हुनु पर्छ  , यहाँ कुनै नारिले बिगतमा बनाइेका अबान्छनिय निती हरु को बिरोधमा लेख लेखे तेस्मा तिमी मुला गुले लाई किन तेत्रो आपत्ती ?
जाउ आमलाई दिदी बैनी अनी भाउजु माइजु सबैलाई श्रीमान को खुट्टा धुएर पानी खाउ भन !


 
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परम्परा र संस्क्रिति को बिरोध गरेपछी आफु आधुनिक भइन्छ भन्ने गलत मानसिक्ताले ग्रसित छ नेपाली समाज। हामी किन मन्मनै हाम्रो संस्क्रिति प्रतिको हिनतबोध ले ग्रसित् हुँदै छौं हामी? आज हरेक जती लिङ बर्ग अफु थिचिएको महसुस गर्छ? के NGO को पैसाको लागि मात्रै यो लेखिएको हो कि हामीमा पालएको परम्परा संस्क्रिति प्रती को बद्दो ब्रित्रिशना  ले हामीलाई हरेक कुरमा नकरत्मक र अफु अपहेलित भएको महसुस गर्न बाद्य तुल्यएको छ त? के नेपाली समाज साँच्चीकै त्यस्तै रुढिबाधी  सन्स्कार्मै जकेधिएको थियो त? छिमेकी भारतको तुलना गर्ने हो भने नि हामी हाम्रो समाज महिला प्रती सधैं उधार नै रही आएको नै छ। फगत स्वोस्थानि मा लेखिएको हरफहरुकै आधारमा महिला अपहेलित भएको आधार निकान्ल खोज्नु भनेको ईतिहास र सभ्यताको बिकास प्रतिको अज्ञानता मात्रै होइन मनसिक दरिद्रताको प्रहसन गर्नु हो।

फेरिपनी नेपाली हिन्दू धर्म मा देवी र बुद्ध धर्ममा तारा, अजिमा को जती र जसरी पूजा हुन्छ क् त्येस्ले हाम्रो नारी सभय्तालाई गौर्बाम्बित बनायकओ छैन र? त्येस्ता उधारहण दिनेहो भने त्यो हाम्रो हिन्दू धर्म नै हो जस्मा अहोय्ल्या, द्रौपधि, कुन्ती, मन्धोधरी जस्का वास्तवमै एक भन्दा बदी पुरुष सँगको सम्भन्ध थियो, तिनैलाई पञ्चकन्या भनी सम्मान पनि दिएको छ। कै कै ले राजा दशरथ को रथलाई यूद्धको बेला रथको पाङ्रको चुकुल बिग्रेको अवस्थामा आफ्नो औंलाले रथ अड्कौन मधत गरेको कुर नि त्येस्ता कथाहरुमा पढ्न पाईन्छ। हाम्रो महान चाड दसैंमा दुर्गा र तिहारमा लक्ष्मी को पूजा गर्ने समाज हाम्रो नै हो नि होइनर? सीता र सती सब्रिती कथाहरुले नि महिलालाई सम्मान नै गरेको छ नि होइन र? अज भ्रिकुटी को ईतिहास त ताजै छ नि होइन? एती धेरै कुर हुँदा हुँदै केबल स्वोस्थानि कै चार हरफ को आधारमा के बिस्लेसण् गर्न खोजेको मैंले बुज्न सकिन। 

अधुनिक समाज को कुर गर्ने हो भने भर्खरै अनुराधा कोइराला लाई हाम्रो " पुरुष प्रधान" समाजले कती सम्मान दियो त्एसेको बारे हामी सबैलाई थाहा भको कुरनै हो। अझ भौनु उनी महिला भको कारण ले नै झन्बधी सम्मान पाइन् जस्तो लाग्छ मलाई। उनलाई क् पुरुष क् महिला सबैले उत्तिकै नै सम्मान गरेक छैनन र? सक्च्यम, सकारत्मक् सोच राख्ने महिल लाई नेपाली समाजले अपहेलित होइन सम्मान नै गरेको छ। पुष्पा बस्नेत, निर्मला ग्यावलि लाई एकपटक् सम्झनी पो हो कि?

के आज महिला स्वोतन्त्रत्को रुपमा बद्द्धो पस्चात्य भएर नितम्ब र बछ्य प्रदर्शन गर्ने महिला ले नरित्वो को सहि प्रतिनिधित्वो गर्छ हो? के त्एसो गर्द नारी को सम्मान बद्छ हो? के त्येस्मा महिला आँफै ले योनिक वा कामुख हुन खोज्दा महिला लाई झन योनको बस्तुको रुपमा हेरिन्दैन र? यो प्रश्नको के जवाफ छ तपाईंजस्ता नारी अधिकार र नारी अस्मिताको अफुलाई ठेकेदार ठान्ने मान्छेमा ? आज नममा  जसरी महिला लाई एक बस्तुको रुप्मा प्र्योग गर्ने सन्स्कार जती बदी छ त्यो पक्कै पनि प्रचिन सन्स्कार मा थिएन नै।

अब आउन स्वोस्थानि मा महिला को अङ्ग प्रत्यङ को कुर गरिएको छ, स्वोस्थानि आँफैन्मा एउत योन शिक्षा पनि हो आँफैन्मा एधी तपाईं त्एस्लाई साकारत्मक रुप्मा लिना सक्नुचुन्छ भने। प्रचिन्कल्मा योन शिक्षा आजको जस्तो त पक्कै नहुन्धो हो। Human Anatomy को बारेमा ज्ञान दिने आफ्नै धर्मिक तरीका थियो। त्येसैकै एउता प्रारुप हो यो स्वोस्थनी। नारी र पुरुष दुबइका योन जिज्ञासा हुन्छ एक अर्काको भितरी  शररिक कुरमा, क् यो नकर्त्मक हो र? स्वोस्थनी बच्चा देखी बुढा सबैले सुन्ने भएको ले एस्ले केही योन जिज्ञासा त मेटेको छ नि होइन? फेरी सतिदेवीको अङ लाई तल्लो तवरले लेहिएको छ र? योनी, गूड्धद्वर, स्तन, आधी आधी लेहिएको छ र हरेक अङ पाटन भको स्थानमा सक्थिपिठ को स्थापना हुनु भनेको नारिको अपमन हो र?

मेरोबिचरामा एस्ता परम्परा र धर्मिक कुराहरु गर्दा ज्ञानीमन्छे हरु बढी सम्बेधनसिल भएर लेख्ने गर्छन्। सभ्य समाजको सैली हो त्यो। महिला अधिकारको अंदोलनमा लागेका ले एस्तो कु तर्क गरी महिला को उत्थान हुन्छ त?
 
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This guy named SHANTIPRIYA always rocks !!!! Nice and dashing analysis.
 
Posted on 02-02-11 8:59 PM     [Snapshot: 1456]     Reply [Subscribe]
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@ santipriya you are right. This all r new cristians drama and game of $$$.
They are the frog of pond they think that girl are respected on third country
third country ma ta mahila haru purush ka sex doll matra hun
pachadi bada chak here r daym bhanne haru le mahila lai samman gare ani hami nepali le mahila lai bhagwan maner pujda chahi apaman?
yi $ ma bikne frog haru le. hindu dharmako alochan garyo bahne mahan bhainchh bhanne sochchan ki ke ho ?
paschima media le pop le garekaa balatkaar lai kina dhak chop gariraheka chhan? 
kina pop ajhai sansarmaa dada giri dekhaudachha ke ?
to chahi lekh na nahune ?
naba crishian haru le afnai purkhko apaman nagarekai besh ! $ khayer , magne haru ... bideshile diyo bhandaima ,,,, jasto sarta pani maner dharma becher paisa khane haruko k kura garnu

 
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 Basically, using the same argument as hers, one might say

1. Ramayan must be rewritten. Because, well, who believes that a monkey can help a human so intelligently? Or who believes that they can build a bridge?
2. Mahabharat must be rewritten. Because, well, who believes that a charioteer can show Vishwaroop to Arjun?

And so on and so forth. This woman wants science , as defined according to today's standard, in the books written thousands years ago. She wants to rewrite? Well, I bet her Swasthani would be like this:

Chapter 1. About the origin of Universe. This follows word by word from Physics Bang Bang Theory textbook.
Chapter 2. About the tale of Goma: Her Goma would be 27 years old, unmarried, women rights activists wearing shirt and pants. Her Shiva Sharma Brahmin would be 31 years old, whom  Goma denounces as too old and refuses to marry. She instead chooses a 21 years old boy for herself, like Manisha Koirala.
Chapter 3. When this young man goes abroad, Goma serves him a divorce notice, after hearing the rumor that he might be careless about the fidelity.
Chapter 4. Her son, Navaraj, now grows up. Goma is NGO activist, who suddenly finds herself in trouble with accountants. She is fired. When she is extremely in need of money, seven party leaders show up, and offer her a job to lead protest against King Gyanendra. She does that, fighting side by side along old Chhaya Devi Parajuli. The leaders offer her a post of minister after Andolan. She really thanks lord Shiva (he finally shows up here) for rescuing her.
Chapter 5. Now Navaraj acts like a king. The party of Goma has a Elephant as a electoral symbol. Navaraj's wife, Chandravati, kicks at police officer in Pokhara as she bounces around the country behaving like a new queen. Meanwhile, a deranged crazy prince, Paras, shoots her and she is paralyzed. That's when she remebers lord Shiva and visits Kamal Jain's "Health Care Center" in Sanga for her ayurvedic therapeatuic treatment.
Chapter 6. Needless to say, she becomes well and she is looking at Shali Nadi from her vehicle when low level party workers go to greet her and bring her back to Kathmandu where Navaraj, himself embroiled in different scandles, have now reformed himself and is planning to contest an election.
And so on and so forth. This is what a new Swasthani would look like, I guess.

 



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