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Posted on 04-13-06 9:15 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Guys ..........And ......Gals...................
We will soon be Indians.
I don not want Dhotis telling me how to live......and to Decide our faith. India has been looking for this oppertunity to intervene and it might be happening soon......WE WILL BE SOLD TO INDIA,. Read this post
India to act tough for restoration of democracy in Nepal: Report



Kantipur Report


KATHMANDU, April 13 - As violence in Nepal escalates and the crackdown on anti-government protesters gets harsher, New Delhi is getting ready to back up strong words with tough steps to push for the restoration of multi-party democracy in the Himalayan kingdom, an Indian news report said on Thursday.

"We will have to go beyond merely tough talk. If the situation doesn't improve, we will have to take some tough action," the online edition of the Times Of India (TOI) quoted a high-level Indian official source as saying on Thursday.

"We have many levers to call Nepal's king to account. The only problem is that such measures might give some sections in Nepal fodder for anti-India propaganda," the source added.

It is not yet clear what these steps would be, but if the push comes to the shove, New Delhi could use some of the methods it tried in 1989 to protest the Chinese supply of arms to Nepal like restricting transit points and curtailing the supply of petroleum products, the TOI report further said.

But these methods could be used only as a last resort as they led to alienating the Nepalese people instead of hurting the monarchy in 1989, cautions Maj Gen (retired) Ashok Mehta.

"We are running out of patience. King Gyanendra is not leaving us many options now," warned the official, speaking on the condition he was not identified, according to the report.

"India should come out openly in support of the constituent assembly elections. We should encourage the setting up of an interim government of the Maoists and the seven democratic parties," the report quoted S.D. Muni, a Nepal expert at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, as saying.

"The king is fighting a violent battle which he can't win. There is a growing feeling in India that this king can't be sustained," stressed Muni.

"India should convene an all-party meeting and issue a strong statement stating in clear terms that the only way out of the impasse is to restore parliament and hold elections to the constituent assembly," advised Mehta, according to the TOI report.

On Wednesday, New Delhi asked the king to stop using "repressive methods" and make a "genuine effort to initiate a dialogue with the political parties at the earliest."

The report also said that whatever backing the Nepalese monarchy enjoyed in the past in India was "fast dwindling."

The Bharatiya Janata Party, the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) and even the Vishwa Hindu Parishad, which were known to oppose any drastic action against the king on the ground that the Nepalese king is the world's only Hindu monarch, are now having a rethink, the report said.

Writing in the latest edition of the RSS mouthpiece "The Organiser", Brajesh Mishra, the former Indian national security adviser, said: "You're digging the grave of the monarchy. You need to step back for the sake of your heirs and for the sake of your country."

Communist Party of India-Marxist leader Sitaram Yechury met Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Tuesday and urged him to use the government's "good offices to ensure the early restoration of democracy in Nepal", according to the report.



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Posted on 04-13-06 9:25 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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If India becomes South Asia's America, Nepalis will become South Asia's Mehico.
 
Posted on 04-13-06 9:29 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Is there any chance China would try to annex Nepal?
 
Posted on 04-13-06 9:31 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Posted on 04-13-06 9:41 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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We need 21st century's Amar Singh Thapa, Bhimsen Thapa...Bhakti Thapa...and more like them.....
 
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On second thought, it is very unlikely.....worst India can do is close the supply line (the ports)....and Nepal will have to use China's ports........
 
Posted on 04-13-06 9:43 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dear friends,

I am not a bit pro indian but sometimes it makes me laugh when people find americas intervention in nepal's politics very welcoming but when India says anythig ( that too not publicly like americans do ), it prompts them make baseless comments like "We will soon be Indians" and bla bla... .

Look at the world politics, there is nothing called "taking over another country" ( that too with China on the otherside,India won't dare). I hate to say this but for Nepal's progress, we have to find a leader who can balance between our national soverignity and friendship with india ( well whether you like it or not we are land locked country with india on three sides and chinese side a difficult terrain).

Lets stop blaming ( and making scapegoat) India for our failure on all fronts ( political, social, economical progress).
 
Posted on 04-13-06 9:44 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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yes yes just like freedom fighter, Bhagat Singh didnt let his India get stolen away by Britain haina ta .. we need bhimsen thapa, prithvi thapa..and more like them people :)
 
Posted on 04-13-06 9:46 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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India's gonna stop exporting stuff to Nepal and even close the border and what will Nepal do?
And Maddog, no matter what, I do have a faith that Nepal wont be taken over by other countries, its one united country itself and it will always be Nepal, a country. yes, the situation right now is worse but its worse just because to make it better as everything has to go through some rough situations to better something..u know..
 
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@nepalichhoro

I second that.
 
Posted on 04-13-06 10:29 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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No man ..................Dhoties..........????......Hey if they attack or want to do something bad they are way to superior than Nepal,,,.....Fanancially+technologically+warfare army........Nepal doesnot stand A cHANCe if the invade....and looks like they will.................If they try to bring down the King in force the Nepal Army will defend .......But can they..........Read these from above that bothered me.............

"We will have to go beyond merely tough talk. If the situation doesn't improve, we will have to take some tough action."

"We have many levers to call Nepal's king to account. The only problem is that such measures might give some sections in Nepal fodder for anti-India propaganda,"

"We are running out of patience. King Gyanendra is not leaving us many options now,"

"India should come out openly in support of the constituent assembly elections. We should encourage the setting up of an interim government of the Maoists and the seven democratic parties,"

Communist Party of India-Marxist leader Sitaram Yechury met Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Tuesday and urged him to use the government's "good offices to ensure the early restoration of democracy in Nepal", according to the report.

..............these points bothers me..............So what do you think India will do??
 
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we need 21st century's Amar Singh Thapa, Bhimsen Thapa...Bhakti Thapa...and more like them.....

Gagan Thapa bhaye chalcha?

in my opinion India will not take the headache of taking mmore problems by annexing nepal. It won't happen so stop this nonesense. if they do we can't do nothing other than wage a guerrilla type war. china will NOT come to rescue nepal if India takes over. it is a myth. I am always puzzled by why so many people think china is a baccha ko guccha khelne sathi to nepal. it is not. china doesnot give a crap about nepal in fact they don't even give a crap about their own people if you know what I mean if not go to rural china or research on it then you will know.
 
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totally agree with birbhadra. maddogg is an idio and a racist trying to create hate and all those others who think india will take nepal why would india take nepal? wht is in nepal that would really benefit them. they already have so many problems of their own they wouldnt want more problems. if india became like america in south asia it will probably be good for nepal
b/c of the open border nepali youngesters can go there and do something with their lives
(doesnt look like the situation in nepal is gonna get any better )
oh and if they close their borders i m so sure these same ppl r gonna come here and make racist remarks i feel sorry for u all walking around with so much hate and discrimination.
 
Posted on 04-13-06 11:09 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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How about Kamala Thapa, Pyar Jung Thapa, Shyam Thapa?
 
Posted on 04-13-06 11:50 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am with Nepalichhoro. There is nothing as such that India conquers or annexes Nepal. Americans, Indians and Chinese, these three countries speak their own interests, but any words in favor of democracy, no matter it comes from the worst enemy, are welcome.
 
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Words in support of Nepalese democracy from any side (including Indians) always scares
"mad dogs". According to scientists, they have "freedom phobia". They want to remain as slaves of "senior mad dog" and want other people to be similar. But as ambient tempertaure has risen quite sharply, "mad dogs" have lost their eyesight too. They are barking everywhere in sajha, 24 hours, 7 days.
 
Posted on 04-14-06 12:25 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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cool down guys.

looking at the history , whenever a foreign force intervened nepal, they were destroyed out of their roots. read the history. all of the foreign forces that came and rampaged soon were rooted out.

even krishna in mahabharat, did not take over nepal. he replaced another guy, from then neapl ie kathmandu for a king.

this is pashupatinath ko desh.

beleive it or not.
 
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I,ll HAve the last laugh.................Dhoties........asking me being a hater?....your comments towards me makes you a hater too......have i offended you personally??.....a racist.......oh god......Gundaa......wake up and smell the air .....do you smell curry???.........DIRTY POLITICS BRO........you wouldnt understand......India will soon boycot Nepal and make us suffer...... I dont support the King now or the parties......Bcoz........OF DIRTY POLITICS................Gautam B. you seem to have an answer...why dont you enlighten the room........Do I sound like a slave to you??? ...Man you're Dumb and your pointless remarks..............I advocate My heritage "NEPALI"....you welcome your new Heritage "Indian"..and freedom from the hands of Indians?????......WOOF WOOF TO YOU.....oh ....Im a lover not a hater.....
 
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let them take it. What do we loose? Its better than either India or China annex Nepal rather than Nepal being chopped into pieces by the butcher Gyanendra or the Maoist, or the parties.
 
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Read this column...Rather Intersting.......

EXPLAINING MAOIST STRATEGY: IT'S ALL IN THE SCRIPT
By Dr. Thomas A. Marks

Even as I write, events in Nepal unfold as if a Broadway play – nary a miscue from the script passed out months ago in the Nepalese media.

Having declared a "ceasefire inside the Kathmandu Valley," thus to gain the media "spin" that would necessarily come from "peaceful protestors" being "attacked," the Maoists proceeded elsewhere in the country to attack positions. The Butwal attack is only the most recent example.

Open use of violence "outside" the urban centers has been accompanied by orchestrated rioting "inside." That the foreign media (with the help of the anti-government sectors in the Nepali media) persist in calling such "peaceful protest" only demonstrates how thoroughly detached they are from the reality of the people's war approach.

From the Maoist Playbook

To outline the Maoist strategy for those who were not present at the auditions for parts:

● Overload the security forces "inside" while attacking with main forces "outside." Claim to be only supporting "peaceful" forces for change.

● Use government troop deployments to advantage. If the security forces must move more men inside, flow into the vacuums left behind. If they move outside, send urban partisans inside.

● Exploit every death and claim that any setback (e.g. failure to overthrow the government) proves that only the violent way is left to install "absolute democracy."

● Break the RNA at all costs. RNA is the one real obstacle remaining in the quest for power. So caught up is the SPA in its short-term effort to remain relevant that it is oblivious to long-term peril. SPA can be counted upon to mindlessly perform on cue.

● Move now to exploit the opening provided by Indian perfidy. New Delhi senses an opportunity to at long last create of Nepal a dependency that will do as it is told.

From the Maoist perspective, they have adopted a "win/win" course of action: no matter what actually happens, they will benefit.

By declaring a "ceasefire outside Kathmandu Valley," they seal off the battle area, declaring that it will be a fight between rival bodies of manpower. They feel that the SPA manpower on the streets can overwhelm whatever the police and APF (the backup) can put on the playing field.

When the authorities make mistakes, which ultimately they must if SPAM plans go off as scripted, the government is again "human rights abusers" -- and the howls can already be heard from the usual suspects. Some elements of the Nepali media appear to be working deliberately to fan the anti-government flames.

Further, the violence allows the Maoists to claim they at least gave "peace" a chance.

The dream scenario, from the SPAM perspective, is to replay 1990, with masses rushing across the open boulevard leading to the main palace gate, the troops forced to open fire, bodies filmed by international media and beamed worldwide, India declaring it can no longer stand by "as democracy is crushed."

Role of India

India's role remains to be untangled, but no one who was in Sri Lanka in July 1987 – as I was – can overlook the startling similarities. The Indian invasion, conveniently disguised as the IPKF (Indian Peace Keeping Force), was but the culmination of half a decade of support for Tamil insurgents/terrorists that New Delhi thought it could "manage."

Then, as now, the shape of the international arena played a significant role. India, many have forgotten, had sided with the Evil Empire. There were some 6-7,000 Soviet advisors in the country. It was the first country outside the Warsaw Pact to receive the MIG-29 fighter, the first (and only) ever to be rented a nuclear submarine.

Beyond all else, in a relationship only now emerging from files of the KGB spirited out of the country prior to the resumption of the authoritarianism, the government of Indira Gandhi allowed itself to be fed Soviet disinformation that convinced it Sri Lanka was a threat.

Alleged "special intelligence" provided by Moscow purported to prove Colombo was on the verge of granting Washington basing and spying facilities, India became involved with the Tamil insurgents, eventually training, arming, and basing them. When an initial massing of forces to invade in early 1984 was warned off by the Reagan administration, Delhi simply waited for a more propitious moment. This came in July 1987, as the Sri Lankans moved to crush the trapped insurgents in Jaffna.

What that moment shares with the present is the astonishingly bad "intelligence" that drove Indian policymaking, as well as the claim that "foreign hands" support the monarch. Putting the word in quotation marks only highlights what Indian field commanders realized within days of landing in Jaffna – there was little they had been given in their briefing packets that was accurate.

That India's Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) had produced "analysis" every bit as flawed as any in the annals of intelligence debacles has since been recognized by no less than India's imperious Proconsul at the time, J.N. Dixit (now deceased) – though he continued to claim, even in his last writings, that India's information on America's intentions was completely reliable.

That India had completely botched its assessments of Sri Lankan ground realities would not surprise anyone who has followed what has emerged as the dominant government position in the present Nepali crisis. Indeed, Indian participants in panels held in Washington, DC, such as S.D. Muni, have distinguished themselves principally in what can only be characterized as willful ignorance of SPAM pronouncements and motives.

To cite but the most egregious example, the Indians continue to claim SPAM is willing to negotiate for itself a role in a parliamentary framework headed by a constitutional monarchy, even as the Maoists give press conferences claiming they will try the monarch in a people's court.

There do seem to be analysts who have correctly identified the astonishingly strategic myopia involved in destabilizing Nepal further even as India itself grapples with its own growing Maoist challenge. In his recent "India, Maoism and Nepal," former Finance Minister Madhukar S.J.B. Rana hit the nail squarely on the head when he wrote, "India is playing a dangerous game of pure real politic where it seeks to intervene in Nepal militarily by using the Maoist [as published] as proxy under the unbelievable propaganda 'to secure peace and democracy for the Nepalese people and to arrest the impending refugee inflow into its own territory'."

Change a word here and there, and the logic is identical to the debacle that became IPKF. It is further noteworthy that in the three bloody years that followed July 1987, IPKF acquitted itself well in "India's Vietnam" (as it was called by the press), even as Indian policymakers sought to cast blame for the blunder on anyone and everyone except themselves. (The most ludicrous position, of course, was the very one the Maoists advance now: it is all the fault of American imperialism.)

Where to From Here?

As irony would have it, it is the growing amicability of India and the US which has served as the strategic cover for New Delhi to bring Kathmandu to heel. Nepali sources have become increasingly blunt (and strident) in the same manner as the Sri Lankans all those years ago, as the Indian ties to Nepali violence become more clear.

One does not have to engage in plot mongering to posit that India is making a major policy error in steering its present course. Neither does one have to cast aspersions to point out the obvious: the SPA portion of SPAM has been willing to play the quisling for momentary political gain.

For it will be momentary, come what may. Let us suppose that the present government collapsed tomorrow. Where would that leave SPA? With two useless pieces of paper and a worthless sheath of promises.

What is tragic is that very little would seem to separate the sides at the moment save profound mistrust. The king agrees that parliamentary democracy should be restored with a constitutional monarch. The Maoists claim they will accept a democratic republic of whatever sort is decided by a constitutional convention. SPA claims the same. SPAM as a whole claims to desire a "ceremonial monarch" (but the "M" has been unwilling to desist from claiming a trial or exile is the only way out for the present monarch). RNA would become a true "national" army, which, not surprisingly, it already thinks it is.

It is important to interject RNA into the discussion, because the shape of any successor organization was a major sticking point in the previous 2003 round of ceasefire talks. SPAM seems to think this institution will simply agree to dissolve itself without discussions of what this entails.

That this will not happen was put to the Maoists directly in 2003, but they were as unwilling then to grapple with the complexities thus raised as they appear to be now. Yet the growing stratum of combat-tested, politically astute officers is not simply going to go as lambs to the slaughter.

Thus a great deal more thought is required upon the part of all sides. This will not take place as long as SPAM persists in its present course.

Dr. Thomas A. Marks is a political risk consultant based in Honolulu, Hawaii and a frequent visitor to Nepal. He has authored a number of benchmark works on Maoist insurgency.
 



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