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Posted on 07-13-10 11:48 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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HOUSTON—A 25-year-old Houston man was charged with three counts of intoxication manslaughter late Monday in a crash that killed three teenage girls last week.


Prosecutors say Sajan Timalshina was drunk behind the wheel of a Toyota Camry when he ran a red light and smashed into a Ford Excursion on July 9.


The crash occurred around 1:30 a.m. as Timalshina was headed north on the Highway 59 feeder and the SUV, which was carrying two adults and five teenagers, was headed east on the Sam Houston Tollway feeder.


Two of the teen passengers – 13-year-old Avianca Cortez and 17-year-old Rashaunda Raleigh – were ejected from the SUV and died at the scene.


A third passenger, 13-year-old Detrihanna Davis, died the next day at the hospital. They were not wearing seatbelts, police said.


The other occupants of the car were taken to the hospital in serious condition and have since been released.


According to court documents, Timalshina failed field sobriety tests at the scene. When police asked for a voluntary blood sample, Timalshina refused, but officers were able to get an involuntary sample because the accident was fatal.


That sample was taken at Ben Taub about three and a half hours after the crash and registered a blood-alcohol level of 0.075, police said.


After performing a retrograde analysis of the sample, officers determined Timalshina’s blood-alcohol level at the time of the accident was between 0.127 and 0.162.


In Texas, a person whose blood-alcohol level is 0.08 or higher is legally intoxicated.


According to court documents, Timalshina gave a voluntary statement to officers after the crash, saying that he was driving his brother’s Camry, had worked a 16-hour day and was confused about where he was going because he was tired.


Timalshina told officers he’d seen a green light farther up the road and mistakenly thought it was the nearest signal when he ran the red light and hit the SUV.


In a second statement, Timalshina told police he’d had a 12 oz. Corona at his brother’s work just before 1 a.m., but he’d only consumed a fourth of the beer.


Police said a big-rig driver, who waiting at the red light at the time of the crash, saw the whole thing.


"When the light turned green, he noticed that the Toyota Camry traveling north was traveling at a high rate of speed and he felt that he wasn’t gonna stop so he stayed where he was at," said HPD Sgt. I. Izaguirre. "But the Ford Excursion didn’t see that car..."


One of the surviving girls, 14-year-old Necie Davis, described herself going in and out of consciousness after the crash.


"I felt the car hit the other car and then after that I just blanked out and when I kind of looked around and Avianca Cortez was laying on top of me and I was trying to see if she was still here," said Davis. "I was trying to get her up, but I couldn’t really move."


Davis, who was released from the hospital late Friday, said she and her friends were on their way home from a party when they were hit.


"We always went places with each other," said Davis. "I wish I could see them one last time at least. I didn’t get to tell them I love them or anything."


Timalshina's bond was set at $150,000


 
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Posted on 07-16-10 1:46 PM     [Snapshot: 8282]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Your wiseness Pire:


Once again, you fail to answer what the right punishment would be for the killer here. Regardless of how much bullsh*t you try to feed us here, you fail to apply your stupid theories on a particular clear-cut case like this. You as someone else point out are nothing but a pathetic loser, with due respect, Sir...

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Posted on 07-16-10 1:58 PM     [Snapshot: 8236]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pire Ji
"Recidivism" is an act of human nature. It has nothing to do with culture, countries and race.

More than 50% of drunk driver will repeat the offense again, some will do it again and again. It has been studied and documented. It's very lenient compared what really needs to happen since there is so much fatality related to it. All they do is take away your license and pay the fee. How's that not a good treat for "recidivism"? I've been drunk and drove my bike day in day out, even after being caught by traffic many many times( lots with giving bribe) back in Nepal. Everybody does that.

"Sex Offenders, pedophiles"-- their recidivism is proven by facts that they will repeat it again and again. In a perfect world, they should never be let loose, yet the law in the US allows them to get back to normal except to register with the city. How's that NOT a good deed from the part of the judicial system?
Guess what....Nepali people will do the same in those cases. The only thing that separated us from them---we do not have any data.
Same thing with murders and other serious crime. Some will stop and some won't. One of the most important thing that you're forgetting in this whole mess is- punishment is NOT only to reform but also as a payment (physical,metal or spiritual) to the victim for their loss. Put yourself in their shoes. How's 2 years in jail going to justify if your father was killed by your neighbor? Will you be fine with that?


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I wondered if there exists any study about recidivism in Nepal
and whether there is significantly higher instances of recidivism in
Nepal because we send people to shorter jail sentence"

So it is all base don "I wonder"

"
Getting raw data and processing them is different matter"

To study about anything in the real world it starts with raw data (simple science), at least they have plenty in the US. Comparative analysis also brings biased view to reflect on the person's belief who is doing the study. It should be thoroughly investigated by people of the both nation for more accuracy. I do not rely on some guy's PhD paper, I need more than, few atleast.

So all and all, you're admitting there is no data to back your statement. Atleast the US has some "raw" ones. You have your rights to disagree (thank God for the Western Democracy) and I'll not fight with you over it (unlike in Nepal).But since most people posting here are on my side and you have no real world data to present, you should at-least be saying "I don't know, I COULD be wrong", at-least and NOT be so stubborn about it. Think about it.
 

 
Posted on 07-16-10 2:12 PM     [Snapshot: 8329]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pire needed some rewiring and he just got plenty of that in the last post...This also is based on "I wonder"

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Posted on 07-16-10 2:21 PM     [Snapshot: 8356]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Attempt #5:
You
did not even answer my question.....@ Pire:  what proportion of jail time in your opinion should a
drunk
driver face who  takes away lives of 3 people? In your opinion how

many years do  you think this guy should be sentenced to?




 
Posted on 07-16-10 2:28 PM     [Snapshot: 8327]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pire Ji
"Recidivism" is an act of human nature. It has nothing to do with culture, countries and race. 
More than 50% of drunk driver will repeat the offense again, some will do it again and again. 
It has been studied and documented.

Just to be rigorous: What is the source for this statement?


"Sex Offenders, pedophiles"-- their recidivism is proven by facts that they will repeat it again and again. 

Again, who proved it and which facts are we talking about? I am not countering what you said, I just want to point out that we need to be more rigorous to build our claim on any issues.

If you are trying to claim that offenders, (drunk drivers, sex offenders, pedophiles), are never going to improve and will forever remain the problem for the society, then why not we shoot them? Why should society pay for their incarceration? Afterall, California has been famous for spending more money in keeping prison than in universities (see the link:http://www.newsweek.com/2010/06/28/classrooms-or-prison-cells.html.) Would you agree with such punishment?


In a perfect world, they should never be let loose, yet the law in the US allows them to get back to normal except to register with the city. How's that NOT a good deed from the part of the judicial system?

How is that a perfect world? What kind of world would it be where everybody (drunk drivers like you, as you admitted, sexual molesters etc) is kept in jail forever? Who will feed them? 

Guess what....Nepali people will do the same in those cases. The only thing that separated us from them---we do not have any data.

It is not true.

You know before Muluki Ein was introduced by Jung Bahadur, there was a penal system where they would, for example, chop off the hand of a thief and capital punishment was rampant. Our ancestors thought it was cruel. Until Maoist insurgency came, Nepali people have always preferred less severe system, and pretty much all media report lauded the abolishment of capital punishment.


Same thing with murders and other serious crime. Some will stop and some won't. One of the most important thing that you're forgetting in this whole mess is- punishment is NOT only to reform but also as a payment (physical,metal or spiritual) to the victim for their loss. Put yourself in their shoes. How's 2 years in jail going to justify if your father was killed by your neighbor? Will you be fine with that
?

Murder is a serious crime. And I don't know what I would do if my neighbor kills my father, but I know this for sure, I won't ask for capital punishment.

I am not sure punishments are meant for payment either. What payment can bring my father back?

Penal systems are not easy to determine. Only history and our judgement evolved over history help us determine it. For example, I always believe that only god has the right to take away our life. So, if a murderer kills a man, even me or my father, I wouldn't want him to be killed by state because the state is not the god. That's my belief.


"
I wondered if there exists any study about recidivism in Nepal 
and whether there is significantly higher instances of recidivism in 
Nepal because we send people to shorter jail sentence"

So it is all base don "I wonder"

That's the key point. It has always been so. It's not like I changed my position. I cast doubt that American penal system is effective in what it purports to be doing.

"
Getting raw data and processing them is different matter"

To study about anything in the real world it starts with raw data (simple science), at least they have plenty in the US. Comparative analysis also brings biased view to reflect on the person's belief who is doing the study. It should be thoroughly investigated by people of the both nation for more accuracy. I do not rely on some guy's PhD paper, I need more than, few atleast.

Yes. This is always the case. It is not like there are no raw data in Nepal ; it is hard to collect them because they are in missil filing system and are not centralized as of yet. But the good news, as I read yesterday in Kantipur, is that our court system is going electronic and all records will be available easily soon. 

So all and all, you're admitting there is no data to back your statement.

Not only that, I made statement that my statement doesn't need data. I made the argument that I like the fact that we have no capital punishment, and shorter incarceration period (max 20 years for murder, I think). What data do you need to verify it? I wondered if we are doing better at addressing the issue of recidivism than the USA. I haven't made any statement regarding that all.

 You have your rights to disagree (thank God for the Western Democracy) and I'll not fight with you over it (unlike in Nepal).

What do you mean, you would fight with me over it in Nepal? In Nepal, the problem is more democracy , not less, don't you think so? Anyone can say anything. Except perhaps against Maoists. But we have been discounting them anyway.

But since most people posting here are on my side and you have no real world data to present, you should at-least be saying "I don't know, I COULD be wrong", at-least and NOT be so stubborn about it. Think about it.

I hope you are wise enough to know that voting isn't a right way to decide things like this. As they say, voting would , in this same country, probably vote down Darwin! (It happened in some counties in Penn, Kansas , right?)
 

 
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Get back to the point Pire....we were talking about someone with understanding, a capable person drinking and driving, killing and fleeing . What in your opinion then should the judicial system shoukd do if YOU were to punish this person. Lets forget about US system, i want to hear what you think is the right amount of time this person should be jailed for his crime? ok not even crime in your words accident?  Give us an estimation then....what is the right amount of time this guy should serve jail time?

 
Posted on 07-16-10 2:43 PM     [Snapshot: 8389]     Reply [Subscribe]
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"I always believe
that only god has the right to take away our life. So, if a murderer
kills a man, even me or my father, I wouldn't want him to be killed by
state because the state is not the god. That's my belief."

I rest my case. You're biased with your religious belief. I feel sorry for you.  I thought I was talking to a liberal, open minded, realistic and literate individual. There's one thing I cannot stand is people who is adamant about their religion and get stubborn defending  everything about it.  Muslim are not the only ones.
With view like that, I wish you all the best with your future endeavor. Good luck.
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Posted on 07-16-10 2:54 PM     [Snapshot: 8453]     Reply [Subscribe]
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ImSarcastic: Tha man has no freaking clue...
 
Posted on 07-16-10 3:03 PM     [Snapshot: 8485]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Rewire, No point to be sorry about this. I am not alone in my belief in god; Newton, Euler and Gauss too had such belief and so did Gandhi. You picked Moslems and that is your rights.
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I love two other jhinga who are bhankiing around me here..as they say Jhingako saraple dinga mardaina. And rewire wants to win with the vote of these people who had no self-respect, and don't know when they are totally being ignored.
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Posted on 07-16-10 3:20 PM     [Snapshot: 8544]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hey guys..i was wondering how long its gonna take for us to build our constitution? oh right..

 
Posted on 07-16-10 3:24 PM     [Snapshot: 8556]     Reply [Subscribe]
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I hope this bastard's brother will pay for the funeral cost of one of his victim
http://www.khou.com/news/local/Teen-survivor-recalls-moments-after-triple-fatal-accident-98213044.html

 
Posted on 07-16-10 3:33 PM     [Snapshot: 8562]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pire if you had any integrity you would be answering my question rather than calling everyone jhinga and what not, however it seems you beat around the bush a lot rather than getting to the point. This is not a contest, nobody is here to vote on a winner or a loser. I was trying to understand your point of view which to me, so far makes very little sense. Thus far, you have been pointing out the PROBLEM why don't you tell us what YOUR SOLUTION is to the case at hand. I don't want to repeat the question I have been asking you over and over again. Let's hear your take on how you would hand out the decision on this case.
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Posted on 07-16-10 3:52 PM     [Snapshot: 8633]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Pire: Shall we let this guy go so that he can run over other kids?


 
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Newlynew: I think you are not on the topic rather picking somebody and just running like the boy who was told that your ear is taken away by that flying away crow. It is not only you but some like you are too.

On this thread you wrote something totally differs what you have been provoking (दही चिउरे कुरा). You are proud of Sajan.
http://sajha.org/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=83430


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Posted on 03-09-11 6:23 AM     [Snapshot: 12408]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Any updates on this?

 
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No wonder small minds talk about people while bigger minds talk about ideas.
 
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 latest update I found was from january 2011. 

www.39online.com/news/local/kiah-justice-forteens-mobile,0,1545660.story

also, one of the 13 year old who survived later shot herself... :(



 
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what happened to this person

 
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He flew back to Nepal, and is on red corner notice, I believe.
 



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