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 JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

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Posted on 04-27-10 10:30 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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This is from comment written in a article but looks real and interesting
JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .
Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes
$25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number,
And gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".
Ready? Now pay attention....
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00
Per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has
$31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or
$31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for
His family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now
Has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and
Local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or
Welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per
Year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps
And welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe
Legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose
Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose
Illegal
Still has $ 31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal
Now has $7,231.00.
Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has
$31,200..00.
Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline,
Etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities,
Gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after
Work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe
Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get
A government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after
School ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services,
But Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.
Jose with his free tax payer entitlements makes $65,000.00 a year!
Do you get it, now?
If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal Aliens...
You are part of the problem!
It's way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!
What are you waiting for?
 
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Posted on 04-27-10 11:51 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and
Local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year Where did you come up with that?? i just want to know which state provides fill dental and medical for Jose Illegal at $0.0??? Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family?? Again this is just not cutting it....where is the evidence to suggest that jose illegal has nights and weekends off?? i have seen jose illegals working 7 days a week...seriously! Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps
And welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
that is a bull shit statement, without any document you cannot get any food stamps and welfare. This is only true if Jose Illegals have a US citizen child.
 
Posted on 04-27-10 11:54 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Assuming Joe Illegal gets paid $15 an hour, following are just some of the flaws in Chanty's logic:


Joe Legal gets some of the money back through tax refund. Did you account for that?


Joe legal is getting better medical services because he has insurance, illegal is not.


You say: Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state, I say: ER visit is hardly coverage. State coverage meaning Medicaid. Medicaid does not cover people who do not have legal status. Clinic visit will only fix your minimum problem.


Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Again you have to show proof of residency to qualify for rent subsidy.


Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Refer to my point above about residency.


Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family. How many people do you know who are illegal and they have their family here in the same country. The family is back home waiting for illegal to send the money.


Moreover, Joe illegal is charged high amount of rent because the ladlord knows he can get away with it. Joe illegal lives in constant fear that the authorities can catch him anytime. Get rid of illegals and you will be paying astronomical amounts for fruts and vegetables. Because of them, you, me and the rest of America have a great life.


Beat that!





 
Posted on 04-27-10 11:56 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Most of my arguments were already covered by others. Sorry, posted them without reading others' point of view.
 
Posted on 04-27-10 12:04 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Agree with meera and Cylegend (can't believe)


I gotta get hold of this guy. I used to know many illegal friends who never had those things he claims. Maybe we can get hold of him and he can tell them where they can get food stamp, full medical/dental coverage and federal rent subsidy. Heck, I'd give up my legal status if this were true.Maybe Joe Legal should consider doing that and know what the difference is.


This shows the southern ignorance on this matter. Sad thing is this kind of propaganda leads to the racial tension that is now seen in Australia (remember beating up south asian kids) and South Africa.


 


 
Posted on 04-27-10 12:15 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Don't blame JOE OR JOSE.  Lets suppose JOSHI LEGAL wants to hire a contractor, who has A better chance to get hired, JOE OR JOSE.  Of course, JOSE.  JOSHI wants to save some money and he doesn't care about anything else beside benefits he would get for himself. IF JOSHI hires JOE, THERE WOULD BE NO JOSE. So, blame JOSHI LEGAL. 
 
Posted on 04-27-10 12:21 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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wa wa wa kiddo agrees finally... crixus joins spartacus...... SIS exactly, blame the core of capitalism "greed." companies/individuals want more profit regardless of the risk involved in hiring illegal immigrants. Legal immigrant on the other hand don't want to do what illegals are doing at the same wage. it's a viscious circle.
 
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Posted on 04-27-10 12:36 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Well I don't know about illegal doing this.
But there are many legal DV nepalese doing this. They work 16 hours a day, but still take food stamps for their US born babies. I hate this.

 
Posted on 04-27-10 12:51 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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nice job chanty399, copy paste from yahoo comment.......















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Last edited: 27-Apr-10 12:54 PM

 
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Posted on 04-27-10 1:58 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Even a copy and paste: Still good , sarcastic and the comparisons are realistic. 
 
Posted on 04-27-10 2:07 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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12 barsha ramayan padhayo sita kaski joi.


Tetro comments lekhyo arule pheri  ayera bhanchha, "sarcastic and the comparisons are realistic."


By the way the dude never claimed it was his original, he clearly says, "This is from comment written in a article but looks real and interesting."


 
Posted on 04-27-10 2:11 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Joe Legal has choices while Jose Illegal does not. If Joe is so jealous of Jose, he can simply cancel all his medical/dental insurance and get into Jose's shoes and enjoy all the services. The writer of the original post must be smoking Mary Jane Illegal to come up with such bull.
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Posted on 04-27-10 2:22 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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This is a total B.S. this is written by some racist fools years ago. They are trying to fool America by saying illegals get all the benefits while legal suffer.  There is no free state medical facility for illegals. For food stamps they see if you're legal resident or not. Yes they can go into emergency, but come on thats when  you get into accident or about to die. Illegals are not the problems but lazy and some are second generation welfare couch vegetables. here are some more lines.

a) In a year Joe White works 3 months and rest of the time he goes on his chopper. 
- Jose works day and night, rain or shine, ho time off or vacation for him.

b) After two years Joe White files fake disability claim and stays home and bitcheees about illegals for taking his job.
Jose Illegal , woks works and works, pays his sales takes on every little things he buys here although he never gets any benefit. 

c) Bad economy is good for Joe Lazy, he now can file unemployment for even loner, now he have excuse to tell people why he is not working. and oh damn these Jose type , if they were not here Joe would be working. Wrong, joe would still be looking for ways to file disabilities and state grants.
- Jose starts packing, he or his family gets detained, although he's been paying sales taxes  for years he is a thief and planning to leave. 



 
Posted on 04-27-10 2:50 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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my point is to make this Jose illegal a Joe legal. you cant stop Jose to come to america but what you can do to no let this imbalance happen is make JOSE JOE. this way Jose is happy coz he has a hariyo patta and goverment can tax Jose.
aafu pani khau aru lai pani khwau.


 
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Posted on 04-28-10 9:39 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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If you put this way: X and Y both are legal but change the scenario and find out the result. Say Y works part time over the table and full time under the table, Maybe 3-4 children. 

Without SS and green card I am pretty sure you would not be able to get subsidized housing and food stamps.

Y will able to get state insurance or subsidized insurance plan, will get subsidized housing, food stamps, WIC program, Will be able to claim unearned Income credit about $4500, $1000 per child child tax credit. X may not have child and waiting for Adoption or even have signing for different programs and paying extra. 

 
Posted on 04-28-10 9:52 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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what is this A B C D X Y Z crap....
 
Posted on 04-28-10 10:12 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I am pretty sure illegal can get housing and food stamp only if they have kids born in USA. The parents won't be eligible but parents can file housing,food stamp, and medical for their children citing low income. This country treats illegal and legal kids same as long as all of them are born in USA , there are plenty of loopholes. Here is one scenario, if the illegal mom is giving birth to the baby in USA, the three days costs will be foot by government because the baby is citizen.That is what happens in California and Arizona.

 
Posted on 04-28-10 10:22 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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This country treats illegal and legal kids same as long as all of them are born in USADid not understand that line, if they are all born in USA aren't they already Legal US citizen?
 
Posted on 04-28-10 10:29 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Yup. They treat all the children born here equally regardless of the parents status. It is not the job of hospital to report the status of the parents.
That is why you can see many illegal Mexicans having tons of baby. They don't need to worry about anything since every thing is foot by government for  their kids.

I have nothing against Mexicans or illegal. I was just trying to say the loop holes to get government benefits.

 
Posted on 04-28-10 10:34 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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there is no legal or illegal, this country was made by immigrants. At one point or another all race were immigrant to this country. Blacks are the only one brought to this country without their will.


Jose will happily pay the tax, if he could get the benefit.  Welfare is not fair in any country as there is no proper means of tracking proverty.  Some % will always abuse it while some % will never get it.


But if you  are legal and working illegally that is an issue.


 
Posted on 04-28-10 10:50 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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This country was made by immigrants, that doesn't mean there is no law. USA   also have  rules just like every other country when it comes to immigration. Even Nepal have rules.we don't live in past but we live with present law.People who have immigrated here in the past century did come with proper documents. Look at Australia,the country made by  immigrants but when it comes to immigration they are the toughest, they will deport the illegal,likewise Japan and many European Country.


 



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